SYTOV vs UTVARA
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by =69.GIAP=BOOS » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:24 am
Good point, I just realized most of my rate fights which I have problems with is during shenanigans or ladder.
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by =69.GIAP=UTVARA » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:53 pm
One circle and two circle fight comparison:
Two circle fight is the fight you see 90% of the time. On the merge, both airplanes turn towards each other (i.e. they both turn left) each "writing" it's own circle.
One circle is very potent but is much less "safe" than two circle. One aircraft turns towards the opponent, but the other, looking for one circle, turns away from his opponent, cutting across his turn. One rule here is that you have to have superior turning airplane against an opponent whose plane is less maneuverable to successfully pull off the one circle fight. Spit against a FW190 could be aggressive and pull the one circle, but against a Bf109G4 it would be a gamble.
This is just a very shortened version of definitions. You'll learn a great deal more about one and two circle fights and how to use them on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in our trainings
Two circle fight is the fight you see 90% of the time. On the merge, both airplanes turn towards each other (i.e. they both turn left) each "writing" it's own circle.
One circle is very potent but is much less "safe" than two circle. One aircraft turns towards the opponent, but the other, looking for one circle, turns away from his opponent, cutting across his turn. One rule here is that you have to have superior turning airplane against an opponent whose plane is less maneuverable to successfully pull off the one circle fight. Spit against a FW190 could be aggressive and pull the one circle, but against a Bf109G4 it would be a gamble.
This is just a very shortened version of definitions. You'll learn a great deal more about one and two circle fights and how to use them on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in our trainings
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by =69.GIAP=MALYSH » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:20 pm
that's a good description of the geometry (and a nice picture, but the two-circle doesn't have to end in a head-on, it largely depends on the initial lateral distance between the fighters as they pass)
the thing to remember is that the two-circle is a rate fight, the fighter with the fastest turn rate will win. It's safe, less to muck up, but the enemy has a larger escape window. A small turn rate advantage is enough to secure the win, for a good pilot.
The one-circle is a radius fight, the fighter with the significantly smaller turn radius will win. Less safe. A small advantage in turn radius is not enough to secure the win, against a good pilot. But the enemy has a smaller escape window, and it can be quite frightening to see it for the first time, it's a very quick and aggressive move.
The two-circle is the standard way to merge most of the time. Safe, easy, but predictable.
The one-circle is useful against a very poor turner, like Utvara said, or can be useful to thrown off a better turning opponent, such as a 109 against a yak or when the enemy has good sutained but poor instantaneous turn rate, such as a 109 against a mig. It can also be a faster way to get onto the six of a less able opponent, but that's a gamble...
The second fighter to turn determines which of the two fights it will be.
the thing to remember is that the two-circle is a rate fight, the fighter with the fastest turn rate will win. It's safe, less to muck up, but the enemy has a larger escape window. A small turn rate advantage is enough to secure the win, for a good pilot.
The one-circle is a radius fight, the fighter with the significantly smaller turn radius will win. Less safe. A small advantage in turn radius is not enough to secure the win, against a good pilot. But the enemy has a smaller escape window, and it can be quite frightening to see it for the first time, it's a very quick and aggressive move.
The two-circle is the standard way to merge most of the time. Safe, easy, but predictable.
The one-circle is useful against a very poor turner, like Utvara said, or can be useful to thrown off a better turning opponent, such as a 109 against a yak or when the enemy has good sutained but poor instantaneous turn rate, such as a 109 against a mig. It can also be a faster way to get onto the six of a less able opponent, but that's a gamble...
The second fighter to turn determines which of the two fights it will be.
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